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Re: Does Closing Beach Access Make ANY Sense?

Post  Frank Folb Jr on April 18th 2008, 10:28 am

I apologized for saying your posts are full of lies, so stop getting your panties in a wad!! Just kidding. And I missed the LE part of your previos post. So I wasn't saying your not who you say you are. Makes no difference to me. We just happen to have some what different opinions.

Unfortunately it is hard to see thing on both sides when one side is way out there in their thinking. We have tried to negotiate in good faith with these people but THEY are the ones who have continued to cry lawsuit if things aren't going their way. The people that are against ORV access are mostly people who have NOT a clue about what is happening on Hatteras Island, and then DOW and others are feeding them half truths and out right lies and so they jump on the band wagon. If these folks were to come down and take a beach drive with me or many others they would quickly learn that this isn't about birds and turtles, it's about an agenda to get ORV's off the beach. We harm nothing and that is a fact, Nothing!!.

Up and down Hatteras Island right now are bird closures along the highways. If a bird nests in these closures do they close down the hwy. NOPE!! But if they nest in the closure at Cape Point can they close the point?? YEP!! Where is the sense in that? What's the difference between the two??

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Re: Does Closing Beach Access Make ANY Sense?

Post  boatdrinks on April 18th 2008, 9:57 am

Surfiend you can't deny this whole deal is in the lap of the NPS. For 35 years they didn't do their job. Now when I say they that doesn't apply to ALL local employees but it does apply to some. All I've heard out of the NPS is no funding for as long as I can remember. Back not too many years ago you couldn't find a ranger after 5 and in recent years it's been as early as 10 in the summer months. Now how do they propose to handle all the additional manpower that is going to be required to abide by this agreement? If I had been drug into court once for not doing my job there wouldn't have been a second time. Something could have been drafted quickly that I'm sure the DOW wouldn't have been happy with and probably the ORV groups either but at least there would have been something to keep it out of the hands of the judicial system until the committe could draft the permanent plan and in the mean time it could have been adjusted to some compromise that all could live with. Anybody who thinks those birds are going to stay behind that string is a fool. It will eventually lead to a much larger closure and I think that's what the NPS has wanted all along. Maybe not locally as I think there are a lot of fine people that work for the park but the overall goal of the higher ups is to get this off the table. Problem is they are the problem and their is no denying that. The environmental groups were loaded for bear with no ORV plan in place and that's why we're here today. They made promises when they took the land and now they've hung us out to dry. As far as seeing both sides I do. They have their agenda and some of them are just as passionate about that as the ORV groups. But they don't live and work here and most of them have never been here. Beach closure takes away a very unique property of the island. Tourism will suffer significantly and kill the economy. And how can you say keep doing things our way when it was out of our control all along. Once again all thanks to the NPS.
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Post  Surffiend on April 18th 2008, 9:23 am

I agree that some rangers didn't have their priorities straight. Look, all I was saying in all of my posts is that you should just try to see both sides and if you do maybe it will be a little easier to negotiate. I am not on either side, but it is easy to oppose the ORV groups when they call you a "liar", say you are not who you are, tell you your "getting you panties in a wad". But I guess just keep doing things your way, it is working real well. You have my name if you don't think I am who I say I am, go talk to someone who worked there, they probably know me. I won't bother posting any more since it seems pointless. Adios

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Re: Does Closing Beach Access Make ANY Sense?

Post  boatdrinks on April 18th 2008, 8:56 am

Surffiend wrote:I didn't even have radar in my vehicle, but thanks for the assumption.
Some of you did. Witnessed it too many times and thought every time about where you should be with that radar. Rangers should be on the beach taking care of the idiots and leave the other idiots to the Highway Patrol and deputies. Jr. he indicated in another post he was the last seasonal LE. Bet there's a story behind that and before you get your panties in a wad Evan that doesn't mean it was you.
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May be wrong

Post  Frank Folb Jr on April 18th 2008, 8:13 am

But I don't believe Evan was a "Ranger". I think he worked in resource management. He seems to talk just like Marcia.

No Evan we don't like permits. They cost to much and limit the number of people on our beaches. Limiting numbers of ORV's is not acceptable on HI. This Seashore was set up for the people. Cape Hatteras National Recreational Seashore. It is not a bird refuge, we actually have already given 13 miles of our Recreational Park to the birds. It's called Pea Island Refuge. We are also quite willing to give the birds many dredfe Islands in the sound and as far as I'm cocerned they can have Portsmouth Island as well. But NO they can't have Hatteras and Ocracoke Islands. These are for the people!!

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Huh

Post  Surffiend on April 18th 2008, 12:12 am

I didn't even have radar in my vehicle, but thanks for the assumption.

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Re: Does Closing Beach Access Make ANY Sense?

Post  boatdrinks on April 17th 2008, 10:44 pm

If you rangers were working the beach instead of running radar on 12 maybe some of the ignorance on the beach wouldn't have happened. I'll bet you were real good about keeping your tire pressure down while on the beach after chasing cars like a rabid dog on the highway.
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Some adavantagees of permits

Post  Surffiend on April 17th 2008, 5:02 pm

Just like ORV groups opposed any closures on the beach, they also seem to oppose any permit. Well, yes, a permit system could be terrible if a bad one is put in place, but a good one could be very beneficial. By OBPA opposing all permits, once again, you are putting yourself in position to not have much of a say in what is probably an inevitability, whereas if you instead focused on how to make a permit system work, you could have a good permit system. Here are my proposals:

1. I think a lot of people fear the big lines for permits based on what happened in other areas, one of which I am familiar with: Cape Cod. Well, yes, they had huge lines, but tweaked the system and now it takes about five minutes to get an inspection to make sure you have the proper equipment, and even during holiday weekends, the wait is about 20 minutes at most. You also have to watch a short video about beach driving if it is your first time getting a permit. The big lines thing is BS so long as there are enough permits for everyone that wants one. My feeling is don't put a restriction on the number of permits. People wait in line for hours to go to Ocracoke during the summer, you also wait to get on the beach because some idiot with a Ford Escort has tried driving on the beach and gotten stuck, which maybe they would not have if there were a sign at the ramp saying "PERMIT REQUIRED BEYOND THIS POINT"

2. Cost: Well, they are $150 annually in Cape Cod, which I think is outrageous. I think they should be free for residents of Dare and Hyde county, and $25 annually for everyone else. You can get a seven day for $10. Yes, the beach would no longer be free TO DRIVE ON, but you can still visit it for free. Remember, Cape Hatteras is a national park, most other national parks charge at least this much to visit and yes, plenty of people still visit.

3. Requirements: Every vehicle should be required to be 4 or AWD, have a shovel and a tire gauge. This would help eliminate the other group of people that ruin your beach experience by driving on the beach without lowering their tire pressure or with 2WD. And at least if someone got stuck, they could dig themselves out.

Here are the benefits I see of the permits--

1. If you have to pay, only people who really want to get on the beach and use it will bother getting a permit. Probably 20% of all the cars on the beach on a busy weekend are just people who have an SUV and want to go for a joyride on the beach.
2. You can revoke a permit. The locals and OBPA folks like to point out that they are not the ones doing stupid things on the beach, and that is largely true. There are always a few bad apples, and they would get their permit puled for driving on the dunes, drinking and driving, going through closed areas, etc. I can tell you people drive far more safely and respectfully on the beach in Cape Cod than in Hatteras.
3. The money can be used to make the beach and the park better. The Park Service is not going to continually write blank checks to Hatteras to monitor plovers and the beach, eventually, they are just going to say close the beach and open it 20 days after the plover chicks fledge. By funding people to monitor the birds, areas can open more quickly.

I don't see $25 and 10 or 20 minutes of time per year as a huge burden. It certainly is not enough money to make anyone go elsewhere, considering most beaches you have to pay to park, often to even walk on the beach.

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Post  HYDRAFISH2 on April 17th 2008, 7:31 am

THE ISLAND FREE PRESS HAS THE TRANSSCRIPT OF THE COURT PROCEEDINGS FROM LAST FRIDAY. IT IS APPARENT THAT THIS FINAL DECREE WAS WAITING IN SOME LAWYERS BRIEFCASE JUST TO BE VOTED ON. JUDGE BOYLE WAS SPLITTING HAIRS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION IF NO ONE KNOWS, IT MAY HAVE BEEN POSTED BEFORE, HOWEVER YALL NEED TO GOOGLE BOYLE AND CHECK WHY HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED HE HAS BEEN NOMINATED THREE TIMES REAGAN, BUSH 1, AND BUSH 2, AND HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED BECAUSE OF HIS REVERSAL RECORDS IN THE SYSTEM. VERY VERY INTERESTING. INFORMATIVE READING FOR ANYONE IN THE FIELD. RIGHT?! Mad
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Post  Save Hatteras Foundation on April 13th 2008, 5:40 pm

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Post  MadMarv on April 7th 2008, 7:13 pm

Angel,
Great point about Virginia Beach. I would hope we aren't even close to the density that would cause a need for lines to get onto the beach. But without some "Government Control" in the way of zoning against over development (seen the new 4 or 5 story condos in Hatteras yet?), there is no guarantee it won't get to that point as soon as the next real estate boom begins. Only with "Government Control" can we keep the Outer Banks from becoming another Virginia Beach or Ocean City, MD or any of the other beautiful beaches that have been ruined by high-rise developments.

Or does somebody know a developer who would buy property and NOT build the biggest most expensive building he can get away with?

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Post  HYDRAFISH2 on April 7th 2008, 6:59 pm

HERE'S AN IDEA WHY NOT DO LIKE WE DO FISHING LISCENSING. MAYBE A BEACH LICENSE, BUT STILL HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OPEN AREAS LIKE WE DO NOW? NO LINES, NO WAITING. JUST PAYING A LITTLE EXTRA TO BE ABLE ACCESS WITHOUT THE HASSLE? Question
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Post  Angel70 on April 7th 2008, 6:53 pm

I agree with you LT. I think having to pay to drive on the beach may be a little hard to swallow, it would feel a bit like a freedom had been taken away. But as an "out-of-towner" (I don't think that's a word, but I'm using it anyway), if it came down to having to pay to drive on the beach, as opposed to not being able to drive at all, I for one, would be willing to do that. Provided the cost was reasonable. At times, it's already a struggle for hard working people, like my family, to come up with the funds just to get to Hatteras. But we do what we have to to get there, because it means that much to us.

I do not however, like the idea of having to "wait in line" to get on the beach. All of your points are valid there. That would ruin the whole experience, and if word started to spread about a "waiting list" to get on the beach, well, who knows. But I'm sure it would effect tourism in some way. It's pretty obvious that some of the local residents may be hoping for that though and that's OK. I understand wanting to claim your beach back, I live in Virginia Beach for crying out loud. Have you been to our beach lately, me either!
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Post  MadMarv on April 7th 2008, 6:16 pm

LT, you wrote:

"We have not opposed all restrictions on driving. In fact we adhere to any and all that have been IMPOSED on us" (my caps). Imposition implies opposition.

I would think an intelligent permit plan should include a lifetime permit (like the fishing license) for locals, and even preferential access if there ended up being limits (which no one is talking about). The permits could be obtained at the same time and places as the fishing license - with an opportunity for some education by a knowledgeable local on how not to destroy the beaches and dunes. Seems the only time anyone would have to wait to drive on the beach, even with limits, would be in June, July and August. Isn't it better to control access to the beach rather than letting it be ruined by people who will be there for a week and then go back home for a year? If all the rental units that have been built and are being proposed to be built ever get back to full occupancy in the summer, the beach easily could start to look like a parking lot, and spending time on it would be like having a picnic on the median strip of I-95.

Everybody needs to start thinking out of the box on this. We've all been inside it for too long. There are good solutions great solutions and bad solutions. Let's look for the great ones, rather than being forced into the bad ones.

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RE: keep your permits

Post  FleetSok on April 7th 2008, 6:06 pm

I absolutely agree about what you said, LT, and i should add, that with permits, the number of tourists would go down. with a drop of tourists, there would be a drop in income on the island. Any resident with a business that relies on tourists on the islnd (which is like, everyone) would get less money. and if the gov't controlled the permits, the control people's income. more government control. just what we dont need. the beaches are for everyone.

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KEEP YOUR PERMITS

Post  LT on April 7th 2008, 5:46 pm

Ok lets see if I can make a couple of you understand the problems with permits(more government). Say you drive 100 mi. to get here then pull up to your ramp only to find you cant enter, its full. By now you,your wife and your children should be in a festive mood. Muliply your number times 100 to 200 and you begin to see some anger controll issues on the rise. Add in the price of gas,bait,ice,food,drink and all for a not so sure thing of a simple little fishing trip to the beach which may or may not happen. Does anyone realize our state is one of the last to require a saltwater fishing liscenes?. Why?, because of the people that inhabit this area fought against it for so long. This is the, "Recreational Fishing Capital of the World". Do you realize what closeing areas for fishing really means to people who have traveled all over the world to get here to fish?. DOF and the NAS would love to have permits mandated why?. So they can "CONTROLL YOU". That my friends is their agenda.
Permits sure how about a permit to rent a house here. How about another to fly a kite. How about one for dog walking. How about one for sunbathing,swiming,surfing,coolers. You see folks more government for a non exsisting problem is not an anwser. We are not looking for special regulation treatment here. We are just looking for the same treatment we've always enjoyed until someone or better yet some groups decided they have a problem with it.
We have not opposed all restrictions on driving. In fact we adhere to any and all that have been imposed on us and if you care to check the court records you will find the majority of violaters tend to be from out of state. You see it is not the locals that have created this problem. We uderstand the privlige we have therefor we dont abuse it. It is us who cleanup others trash left for the ocean to swallow up or bottles that may puncture tires. We do not have a plethera of signs telling you what you can and cant do here. We're simple like that, we actually want you to have fun while here. Not to have to run all around and make sure you have the right permits and all. We basiclly assume you know whats right and whats wrong. So if you spot a turtle nesting area while driving steer, "away from that marked area".The same holds true for birds and people of course. Simple isn't it?.

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MadMarv - agree what you said

Post  Mac123 on April 7th 2008, 9:43 am

MadMarv, all you said in "Permits" post is absolutely true. Couldn't agree more with you.

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Post  FleetSox on April 7th 2008, 12:01 am

Closing the beach makes no sense. Its obvious these people have no morals. Cape Hatteras makes 300 million bucks a year off of tourism, and that's how the guys living on the island make money. if the beaches go, so does their livelihoods. Cape Hatteras will become a ghost town... or maybe a ghost island. its so isolated that the only way to make money is off of tourists. they close beach access, tourists run away to Florida, these guys are jobless. if there's nowhere on the island to work, why live there? if they close off the beach, eventually the whole island will end up to the birds.

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Post  toothtel on April 6th 2008, 9:16 pm

People, stop fighting, this is fun but lets band together and start fighting the real foes- the DOF, Audubon, Toyota and let our elected officials know. The DOF sent out a "Wildlife Alert" to their extensive mailing list asking them to contact their elected officials.AND THEY HAVE. The very same congressman, senators and representatives that have been hearing from us and intervened on our behalf have now started hearing from the other side. IT DOES GET THEIR ATTENTION. Also contact the Dept of Int. AARP, AAA, ADA and anyone else who you think can help.

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Post  MadMarv on April 6th 2008, 2:30 pm

Frank your comments on permits show exactly why the park service hasn't had a prayer of coming up with an ORV plan that hasn't run into massive local opposition for 40 years. And that is why we all now face this overzealous lawsuit.

Basically, the locals have opposed any and all restrictions on driving, even those that make sense. When your kids are in school, it won't be high tourist season, so I doubt you would need to wait to get on the beach. You folks keep acting like it is still 1952 down there. Well, in 1952 there were very few rental units on the island, even fewer SUV's, and the only people driving on the beach were either locals or dedicated fishermen. Now with every Tom, Dick and Harry owning an SUV and wanting to exercise his "God given right" to drive where ever the hell he pleases, and with hundreds of thousands of visitors a year, it just isn't going to be the same and you just have to face that fact. Life is about change - just ask the Indians. If you wanted it not to change, you should have all been fighting the over-development of the past 20 or 30 years through zoning, lot size and home size restrictions. Remember, most of the cottage owners and visitors can't vote in Dare county, so we depend upon you folks to keep it from being ruined by over-development, and you've not done a super job. In 20 years, it will probably just be Kitty Hawk South. Probably the most influential politically connected people down there are making too much money from the development to want it to stop.

So stop whining about sleeping in the bed you've made for yourselves. A permit system makes sense, and I doubt any serious fishermen will have to wait for access to the beach if it is instituted, except perhaps in the peak of the summer season, when it's mostly families there for the swimming anyhow.

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I appreciate what your saying

Post  Frank Folb Jr on April 6th 2008, 9:29 am

LT and Janet

But Janet you hit the nail on the head about permits. You had to wait in line. I would not be happy with that at all. I work all day and hear the Drum are biting at the point and grab my son our fishing poles and some fresh corncob mullet and head for the beach. Ooops, there are 100 vehicles already in line and it's 6pm. Ian has school tomorrow so shoot I will never get on the beach early enough for him to get to fish back home I go

NO I will not stand for permits. FREE AND OPEN ACCESS!! It's worked for 50+ years we just have a bunch of wackos that have nothing better to do. It's a shame they don't spend their time, energy and$$ saving the poor and down trodden!!

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whos agenda anyway

Post  LT on April 6th 2008, 3:07 am

People for heavens sake just stop for a moment please. I've read most of your posts from the ridiculous,to the heartfelt,to the loyaly devoted visitor,to the always aparent local,to the omnipetent defenders of our feathered friends,and least I not forget the ever present protectors of the ground on which we (as humans) get the pleasure(albeit an exensive one if some these posters got their way) to tred and I have to tell you I'm amaized,embarressed,dumbfounded and disgusted.
I guess I must relay a little personal history. I've lived here for 31 years. Seen it go from 2 lanes to 5. Almost been killed by at least 6 different of you not paying attension while driving. I was in the NC beach buggy assoc. for 5 years (so I've picked up your trash and then some). I've seen the by-pass go from 3 stop lights to 26. I lived across the street from the Old Stastion when it was on the oceanfront in Kittyhawk and whitnessed 12 of its neighbors succumb to the Atlantic and hurricane Hugo from my house on 3 foot pilings as water rushed over the beach road. I use to walk inside the outerbanks mall. I rode the rides at Doughties amusement park. I played put-put at the golf course that is slowly becoming uncoverd by mother nature at the foot of Jockeys Ridge. I know and knew Moon Tillet,Willie Etheridge,Charlie Wilson, Art and Rex at Fishermens,the Daniels family. Raised 4 children own 32 fishingpoles own (4)4x4's. Why? they seem to work best in our streets when the water is 3 feet deep and you have to well you know DRIVE THROUGH IT!.
You see people I don't know if you realize it or not but this is the OUTERBANKS. We that make this our home know we live at sea level. We average 2 to 3 hurricanes a year 2 to 3 norEasters a year. We pay our fed and state taxes like you,work hard,love our families,help each other in times of need. I'm not a local by no means just a long timer but theres one thing I do know, if hurricane Katrina would've hit here there wouldn't have been any looting,shootings,fights over water food or ice. Storms made the outerbanks and have always made us work as a team getting jobs done. Sort of like the American spirit has always done since the birth of this nation.
So I would personally like to thank the man and his wife who resinded his Audabon society membership. I as you, do not believe their aim is true or just. People have always sought to controll others and their livelihoods. It is through this controll and greed that in thier minds they are able to believe in themselves.
As for me I will still be the man helping you with tire deflation and inflation information. Helping to get your vehicle unstuck with a shovle or pull befor the tide gets it. Retriving your child's toy as it floats towards the opean ocean. If i'm fishing next to you I will show you how to safely unhook and release a Stingray,Mantaray,Shark or any other form of aquatic animal that might be at your feet as your adrenilien waynes. If you catch a species your not familular with I will identify it for you. My wife can tell you the best way to cook it. If you are parked next to us your children are allowed to play with ours. When grilling we will gladly share a burger or hotdog and a cold drink. I will gladly tell you what bait I used to catch that last fish with and if you have none you are more than welcome to some. If heaven forbid you or any of your family should be in need of a water rescue because of undertow,riptide,medical or injury purpose I will swim or surfboard to your aid. I'm not sure how helpfull a Piping Plover will be in any of those instances only history can judge that for us folks.
We are the humans here(you know the intelligent species) I did take environmetal science as a major and to be honest after 3 decades of using all of the beaches in question the bird population has remained constant. Of course it waxes and waines all cycles do (hence the term cycles). I for one have a problem with the A.S. way of their data collecting. A little old lady sitting in an umbrellaed chair with a set of binocs for a weekend just doesn't get it for me.(I was there people) Realisticly they're telling us they want to controll(lets not fool ourselves it is controll)12% of the beaches albeit the most sacred of all recreational NC surfishing fishing spots known to sportsman for the sole purpose of regenerating this habitat of a flegling species. I'll buy that as soon as they give me the plover count on Portsmouth,Cedar,Hog,Brant,Swan,Raccon,MackeyKnottsMonkey,Mossey Islands. Along with the plover count from the Core Banks, Shackleford Banks,and Bouge Banks. The judge should demand no less from the special intrest groups who have no dought displaced some animals to build their homes and corprate offices throughout this country.
As for the damage us drivers have done,they must be kidding, it noway compares to what mother nature has done and can do in the blink of an eye. Those ruts being made a fuss about one pharse "moontide" they magicly disapear. Oh and the black stuff on the sand another phrase "ghostfleet". See there happens to be oh lets just say an awful lot of ship wrecks here so their oil had to go somewhere with the waves. Hence NC tarheels ta da.
Now as far as our future goes I thought our community had a handle on things obviously I and many others were sadly mistaken. I pretty much knew things were heading towards trouble when on one of my families many Oregan Inlet weekend fishing trips we were approached by a ranger and a comercial fisherman asking wether we had seen anybody near the fishermans dory. Upon turning around from where we were surfishing and had been all morning 30 yards from his boat someone had taken red lipstick and wrote in large letters "TURTLEKILLERS". I explained to them the only person that had walked by was a young woman of about 20 who smiled and said hello heading north along the water but then 10 minutes later I noticed her heading south along the dune line. So maybe its not just for the birds. Maybe the defenders want to end fishing too . Sad what a wast of time ,energy and money.

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Post  toothtel on April 5th 2008, 8:20 pm

Thanks for your message.I am a resident here of 7 years. I truly appreciate our visitors.Perhaps a permit would help.I grew up in Md. and spent vacations at OC.Md.What a crowed noisy busy loud place.I hesitate to call it a beach.When I went to Assateage Isalnd to go to a natural beach or to do some fishing we had to pay an outrageous permit fee to take our 4X4 on the beach and wait for someone to leave, as there were only a certain number of vehicles allowed on the beach.And like you said we were happy to do it.
Some of us are working very hard to try and keep the beaches open for you. If you want to vent ,e-mail and call the elected officials on this website esp Eliz Dole. call more than once. The enviro. groups have sent out a "Wildlife Alert"to their huge mailing list and they are now calling and mailing the same officials. Don't give up on your vacation here on Hatteras.The sun will shine, the waves will roll and the fish will bite. sunny

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Does Closing the Beaches Make any Sense

Post  Janet-lo on April 5th 2008, 7:37 pm

I just wanted to say that my husband & I have been coming to the outer banks for at least past 15 years, the main attraction we come down for is to drive out on the beach & just relax. After working all year long, in hectic jobs, this is the only relaxation & enjoyment that we look forward to all year. We respect the beach & nature & take all of our trash w/us, if we see that there is other trash that someone has left behind, we take that w/us as well. I know on the drive down, when I see my first pelican of the year, I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders & I can finally begin to relax.

Every year we stay in Hatteras Village in September for 2 weeks, & in June we stay for 1 week in Nags Head, Hatteras Village still has not recovered from hurricane Isabelle, this would absolutely kill the livelihood of many people in Cape Hatteras, the very people that we have come to know & love. Why can't anyone see this? Is there no respective for the people who live here, & have lived there generation upon generation?

No one is bigger animal lovers then we are, for the last 6 years we actually rented a house w/an elevator just for our crippled lab so she would be able to make the trip w/us as well...& she even loved her vacation.

There has to be some kind of compromise that can be made to preserve nature & still allow people to enjoy your beaches, perhaps considering a beach permit, either yearly, daily or weekly, we certainly would be willing to pay for this, & I'm sure most of the people who love the area would as well, especially if it went to possibly hiring more park rangers to ensure the safety of the wildlife on the beach.

This hurts everyone. The local people who depend on tourists to earn their living, but this will also trickle down to your fishing boats, to restaurants, to rental income, to gift shops, as well as your real estate market. Family businesses that have been here for generations, would certainly be hurt, from large businesses to small. We were hoping to one day retire in the outer banks to be able to enjoy your beaches full time. But if the beaches were closed, there would be no reason for us to live there. I actually think if you close the beaches that this would literally become a ghost town!!!! I truly find this hard to believe that people who have possibly been to the outerbanks maybe once or maybe not all....think that they need to change the environment & at the sametime kill the economy for everyone that lives there, I also find it hard to believe that the government would allow this to happen!!!!

I hate to admit as much as we love the outer banks, & it would hurt us deeply, but we would be cancelling our 3 weeks of vacation this year, & if the beaches stayed closed, I can honestly say that we wouldn't be back.

Someone said it best when they said, let these people go to Myrtle Beach or Ocean City Maryland or even the Jersey shore (we are actually from Southern Jersey & prefer the outer banks) & try to save a bit of nature, because once you've been to these places & see the crowds & the lack of respect for the beaches....you really don't want to go back there at all.

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Post  piping p on April 5th 2008, 5:50 pm

I like many others have been coming to Hatteras for many years, 33 to be exact. Like some have already mentioned. The island is not a densely populated place for the majority of the year. There is plenty of room for nesting birds and beach goers alike. Just like when we access the beach, if a place is too crowded we will walk 100 yards and set up camp. My point is there is plenty of room for a flying bird to find empty beach for roosting, hell I can on a crowded weekend. This proposal is preposterous and shouldn't even be entertained. As far the economy is concerned, will it hurt the community and economy ----absolutely, not only the local but also the entire state!. As well as other states, less people traveling the roads, less toll money as well as taxes being paid on goods purchased. Someone with some intelligence step in and[b]STOP THE MADNESS!.

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