Reading and understanding the current law.

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Post  Guest on June 16th 2008, 9:55 pm

I am glad to see someone understands the plight of the Indians. I am sorry to hear that your family has been murdered for no reason and forced across the country to live in reservations. And the enviros are killing all the fish, just like the buffalo. Perhaps you should put up a casino at Cape Point.


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Small area of beach closed.

Post  Crazy Ho on June 16th 2008, 9:31 am

I now know how the Indians felt when the white man took their land. The beaches have been ours the peoples for years and years. Infact if it had not been for us the people the beaches might not still be there. I have watched the sand shift with storms and water spouts. The humans fixed the beaches back and maintained the dunes.

We don't worry about the ants when you want a building in town. The ants adjust. Are the beaches for birds only? Humans have rights also.

People say you must have a blue bird house to have blue birds but at my townhouse I have them on my fence with no manmade bird house.

We aren't throwing rocks at the birds. We aren't shooting them. We are sharing our beach with them.

Wilbur and Orville Wright learned from the birds. Many said man was not meant to fly. What if we had legislated against flight.

Crazy Ho

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as of yesterday

Post  llitten on June 16th 2008, 9:28 am

as of yesterday the entire cape was off limits to ANY human traffic, wether on foot or ORV.
the cape is the historic name for the point!

some of the beaches around AVON (kinnikeet) were still open to human enjoyment.
some of the beaches around Frisco were still open to human enjoyment.

but MY park, my wildlife refuge to be enjoyed, is NOT open to the access that I have enjoyed for the past 30 years. Parts of the park that I relished in, that I enjoy picturesque and wildlife viewing pleasures are now restricted from my use, my view.

for the past 30 years we always contended with the occasional closing, or small area's where nests were located. we enjoyed that. Now the fight is to restrict ORV access to most of the area's, and in the process this is also restricting MY access, wether on foot or not to these locations.

I still do not see how I can enjoy these area's when they are off limit to me. seems to be an oxymoron that the wildlife is protected for my benefit and yet closed to my access at the same time.


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Post  stevenM on June 16th 2008, 9:09 am

The closures affect very small areas of the 55 miles of open beach. There is plenty left over for free and open access. Wonderful secluded areas


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Reading and understanding the current law.

Post  llitten on June 16th 2008, 9:04 am

I read the injunction posted in court. They claim that the park service has not ever set out a plan of regulation for ORV use.

The Amended Complaint challenges the Federal Defendants’ failure to implement
an adequate plan to govern off-road vehicle (“ORV”) use at Cape Hatteras National Seashore
(“Cape Hatteras” or the “Seashore”) that will protect the Seashore’s natural resources and
minimize conflicts with other uses of the Seashor

For years they, the park service, has regulated where we are allowed to drive and where we are not allowed to drive. They cord off areas where we are not allowed to use ORV's

I believe that is some form of regulation. while not satisfactory to all it IS adequate plan for off road use.

They also ask....

Executive Order 11644 requires that the Federal Defendants implement
regulations to govern the location, manner, and condition in which ORVs may be used at the
Seashore. Because, 35 years after Executive Order 11644, the Federal Defendants still have not
developed and implemented a long-term plan for managing ORV use at the Seashore, any use of
ORVs at the Seashore is by definition illegal. Pursuant to the Federal Defendants’ own
regulations, “[o]perating a motor vehicle is prohibited except on park roads, in parking areas and
on routes and areas designated for off-road motor vehicle use.” 36 C.F.R. § 4.10(a) (emphasis
added). Thus, any operation of vehicles on the beach and other off-road areas of the Seashore is
currently prohibite

well, it does look like the park service HAVE designated areas for off-road motor vehicle use. it is the current ramps and orv beaches that they have been regulating for years.

Now the biggest misconception is the following:

More generally, the National Park Service Organic Act requires that the Federal
Defendants manage the Seashore and all park lands in a manner consistent with and supportive
of the fundamental purpose for which the park system was created, namely “to conserve the
scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wildlife therein and to provide for the
enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the
enjoyment of future generations

If they close the beaches to ALL access; which according to the signs I read yesterday state NO ACCESS, how then can I enjoy the natural beauty when there is NO ACCESS to this natural beauty?
I was content when the park service corded off the actual nesting site, but now they have corded off then entire wildlife area. way too far.

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